UFC-A Hoax ?

[sirdarksol]

You obviously have never met any of the people that I have. There are countless people out there who take victory in UFC to mean that a person actually is an ultimate fighter, that this person is capable of winning fights in any forum, because they believe that the UFC is a free-for-all where anything goes, despite the fact that, quite obviously, anything does not go.

[disgruntled]

and disgruntled... now i'm not completely sure but wasn't it that the first few UFC's didn't have a lot of those rules they have today?

yeah you are right...... but honestly, those rules are not needed. people are basically good people and do not do anything to seriously hurt anyone. the rules are just a formality. infact in the early days, the only one that was violated was hair pulling and that is not that serious. people didn't even kick to the groin.

conpetition really suits BJJ.

[eYoon]

Originally Posted by sirdarksol

You obviously have never met any of the people that I have. There are countless people out there who take victory in UFC to mean that a person actually is an ultimate fighter, that this person is capable of winning fights in any forum, because they believe that the UFC is a free-for-all where anything goes, despite the fact that, quite obviously, anything does not go.

then that's a problem with the idiots out there that think that they're something more than what they are... and what they are, are sportsmen. i don't see any problem with the name. blame the people.

Originally Posted by disgruntled

yeah you are right...... but honestly, those rules are not needed. people are basically good people and do not do anything to seriously hurt anyone. the rules are just a formality. infact in the early days, the only one that was violated was hair pulling and that is not that serious. people didn't even kick to the groin.

conpetition really suits BJJ.

so perhaps it does really suit BJJ, which is indeed a fact.

but the rules need to be there to gain mass acceptance as a sport, for them to take it to mainstream media, and make money off of it. if you consider that some people believe that even boxing, which has many rules such as the hand wraps, gloves, being separated after a clinch, only uses hands, no hitting below the belt, no elbows, only a stand up fighting style, and etc. etc. etc. is still barbaric and brutish and dangerous... think of what people would think about a no rules, anything goes fighting competition...

[sirdarksol]

Originally Posted by eYoon

then that's a problem with the idiots out there that think that they're something more than what they are... and what they are, are sportsmen. i don't see any problem with the name. blame the people.

That's the discussion that was being had. It's not so much the promoters using the name that's at issue, it's the people who take the name literally.

[Rickster]

Originally Posted by disgruntled

MMA has become nothing more than a washed down version of muay thai and BJJ. so in that sense it is its own style. but i personally do not consider MMA a Mixed martial art, because they don't really mix anything. it is just MT BJJ and not always a full version of either.

as far as the rules go, you got to keep in mind that the UFC was developed by the gracies as propaganda for their school/style, so the rules are going to favour their style. if you watch the early UFC it is disgustingly blantant that it was set up for the gracies to win....

I like this, it makes sense.

[disgruntled]

Originally Posted by eYoon

but the rules need to be there to gain mass acceptance as a sport, for them to take it to mainstream media, and make money off of it. if you consider that some people believe that even boxing, which has many rules such as the hand wraps, gloves, being separated after a clinch, only uses hands, no hitting below the belt, no elbows, only a stand up fighting style, and etc. etc. etc. is still barbaric and brutish and dangerous... think of what people would think about a no rules, anything goes fighting competition...

that is a very very good point. when the UFC was first developed with the no rules, it was banned in almost every state, so it would be really hard to turn a profit.

[Rickster]

Sorry for the delay on a old thread. The discussion isnt about being silly as how wording and promotion makes things seem more grand than what they really are.

[disgruntled]

Originally Posted by Rickster

Sorry for the delay on a old thread. The discussion isnt about being silly as how wording and promotion makes things seem more grand than what they really are.

i don't quite get your point...

[Mork]

The rules are designed so the needless injury does not occur to the participants. The UFC is a job for these folks. How could they earn a living if they were seriously injured in a bout?

[disgruntled]

good point. the trouble comes in when people start believing it is a real fight.... it isn't... if a judo guy beats a TKD guy it does not mean Judo is better, it means either that guy is better, or the rules are better suited to their style.